kick around vs talk over

kick around

verb
  • To be discussed informally; to be considered. 

  • To wander loose; to float around; to hang around. 

  • To abuse or mistreat; to bully; to be rough with. 

noun
  • An informal game of football, rugby or similar sports. 

talk over

verb
  • To discuss; to converse about a matter or issue. 

  • To persuade (someone); to talk around. 

  • To verbally interrupt (someone); to speak at the same time as someone else. 

How often have the words kick around and talk over occurred in a corpus of books? (source: Google Ngram Viewer )