kick around vs thrash out

kick around

verb
  • To be discussed informally; to be considered. 

  • To wander loose; to float around; to hang around. 

  • To abuse or mistreat; to bully; to be rough with. 

noun
  • An informal game of football, rugby or similar sports. 

thrash out

verb
  • To discuss something so fully as to resolve a problem or conflict; to hammer out. 

How often have the words kick around and thrash out occurred in a corpus of books? (source: Google Ngram Viewer )