converse (with) vs schmooze

converse (with)

schmooze

noun
  • A casual conversation, especially one held in order to gain an advantage or make a social connection. 

verb
  • To talk casually, especially in order to gain an advantage or make a social connection. 

How often have the words converse (with) and schmooze occurred in a corpus of books? (source: Google Ngram Viewer )