matter-of-fact vs talk turkey

matter-of-fact

adj
  • lacking emotion or colour 

  • of, or relating to facts only; literal, realistic 

  • straightforward, blunt, frank; treating the situation as normal; not embarrassed, coy, or dramatic. 

talk turkey

verb
  • To talk or negotiate plainly, frankly, or seriously. 

How often have the words matter-of-fact and talk turkey occurred in a corpus of books? (source: Google Ngram Viewer )